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Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:39:00 - [1] Originally by: Juwi Kotch With fascination and utter dismay I read about the EIB scam. I had to realize, that a megalomanic crook was able to pull off the biggest scam in EVE's history obviously with impunity. Fortunately neither me nor one of my corp mates lost any money here, because we invest what we get in our own corporation only. But I was thinking about this and a concern grew more and more in me: What do all the kids learn for life while playing EVE, or any other MMOG? We all know that there are a lot of minors playing EVE, young people who are still struggling to find answers for the questions of life. For many of those, their corpmates and friends in EVE are very important to them, especially when they are adults and spend time with them. I don't want to go into the detail of internet relationships and their impact on RL lifes, but I think you get the idea. So, while playing EVE, what do these youngsters learn? Attacking the weak is not only acceptable, but expected and rewarded Scamming might lead to success, and you will be congratulated for that Distrust is the only safe way to approach others Living in lawless regions are the only true way of life, sticking in to regulated areas is just uncool Being evil, foulmouthed and nasty helps you to get a reputation ... and so on. I know, EVE is a game, and one should make a clear distinction between this game and RL. But for many people this game is just a (major) part of their RL. Quite some people, and not only the young ones, have a hard time to seggregate their actions within EVE from their actions in RL. And EVE tells them, that being evil is something being rewarded. They learn, that being evil lead to success, to wealth, to reputation. I know, I might be exaggerating a bit, but as a studied philosopher, pointing to such things is part of what I've learned to do. And that I'm closing to 50 might also play a part in my urge to express such thoughts, people half my age may look at this much differently. However, I ask you all: Do MMOGs teach unethical conduct? Before the flames start, you should know, that I play MMOGs since more then 7 years now, and do not intend to stop that habit anytime soon. I'm just concerned, and had the need to express this concern. /me puts the asbestos/kevlar underwear on and presses the "Post New Topic" button. Juwi Kotch In other words........you think kids might be inflicted damage to their morale or whatever unlike the failure of their parents? For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:44:00 - [2] During the 60's it was rock and roll. During the 80's it was violence in videos and 'sex' in music videos. During the 90's it was violent video games Today it's mmo's and people becoming obsessed with them etc. What we need is less concerned parents, the 'I know because I'm a parent' argument wont cut it anymore. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:51:00 - [3] Edited by: Death Kill on 21/08/2006 14:51:42 Originally by: Jim McGregor Some parents actually do know the best, and some dont. Its impossible to tell when you are young, because you never recognize when they are right and when they are wrong until afterwards. Ofcorse they can be right, or can they?. I mean unless they have a master in psychology or have studied statistics on the matter they are all speculating. And you should nenver base ANYTHING on speculations. Quote: It could also be pointed out that in the 20s, it was women showing off their lower legs in public and going out without chaperones Well we all saw how the world changed for the better after THAT For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 14:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor You mean how you speculate that all parents are clueless? lol I dug that hole deep didnt I? Be prepared for massive comback after my daily doze of cofee and news papers For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Ozmodan You can be extremely successful in this game being very unethical. Just like in the real world Quote: The big question is can they distinguish the difference from the game and real life to make a correct decision. Unfortunately in a lot of cases they cannot. Thats because of their own short comings. A 16 year old is smarter than you think, and anyone below that age isnt ready for EVE in my opinion. If however, some youth were to kill his neighbour because he thought he was in low sec then its not the games fault, its the kid and his/her parents. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.21 18:21:00 - [6] Originally by: Galk Like the guy above... he finds it aceptable... and in fact it's my problem if i have a problem with a guy calling me a retard for no good reason... even though it's considered socialy unacceptable. You got it all wrong. I tolerate it, would I like to be scammed? No. Does that mean I would take away a persons right to be a thief in A GAME? No. Quote: I know if i called my boss a retard because i didn't agree with his point... id be walking down the road and out of a job on the spot. just how many of those people would call a guy a retard thats standing next to them in a pub... Not one id imagine. That pretty much tells you what i think. As of everything else.. im just glad im over 30 now and know good morale values, i would hate to be growing up now with the influences around such as mmo's To be over 30 you sure use retarded examples. How you possibly can drag your poor boss into a scam that took place in cyberspace is beyond me. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.22 05:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I mean let's look at your reply to this thread. How old are you? (I am almost 40), How many kids have you raised? ( I have raised 3), What are you're credentials for making the statement you made and it really having any merit? ( I have none beyond my live's experience and a generic BSc degree). Yet you have expressed you're opinion as fact and yet there is contradicting studies showing the opposite, and an entire generation of online fanitics starting to crop up that have serious real life problems. Oh what a load of poppycock! Quote: spread all that is going wrong in america right now I live in scandinavia, we dont have a degenerated society like you do. We dont have kids walking about shooting up their schools. To say that 'blah blah this is whats wrong with America today' is utter, utter rubbish. The reason 'things are wrong in America' is your insane gun laws, huge differences between rich and poor as well as racial tension. Dont use your own borked country as an example across the board. Thanks. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 05:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 05:09:07 Originally by: mir4ge Your mentally ill teenagers never get the chance to commit school shootings because 1) They don't have access to guns Exactly! Thats what I said. Quote: 2) they are too busy committing suicide. World Health Org Suicide Rates. Theres scientific evidence that the dark winters ( we hardly have sunlight during winter here) has a negative affect on the human mind. Quote: Contrary to your belief, school shootings are such big news here because of their rarity and shock value. Look at the link I posted earlier. Teen violence is quite low compared to their high points. Also look at Newer data on school violence. I guess those numbers would look huge if they had occurred in a Scandinavian country though, considering the huge population differences. So thats why you have metal detectors at high schools eh? Quote: Oh Scandinavia doesn't have racial tension? What's all this about the anti-Muslim backlash I keep hearing is occurring there? Oh please, thats nothing compared to your issues. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 13:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor I robbed a old lady today and you are telling me that was wrong? Geez. Come on! Survival of the fittest! Kill them all and let god sort them out... No not really. Did she drop good loot? For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 13:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Anemos Thuella I mean, there are some really sh*y world-views on display in this thread. You mean we dont have a reason to be cynical? Open a history book, then open todays newspaper and then come back and tell us we got something to be optimistic about. For the state for the state for the state**
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 14:20:00 - [11] Originally by: BurnHard There are scientific studies that show an increase in Testosterone levels after watching movies containing violence. Anecdotal evidence also shows this is true - after watching a Bruce Lee film, when I was a kid, me and my mates used to go mental. Ehhh, increase in testosterone levels after watching violent movies? Do you have any proof to back up that redicilous claim? So thats why athletes watch violent movies instead of using epo and other illegal substances For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:00:00 - [12] Originally by: babyblue Darwinistic You know Darwinism, other people dont. Cut them some slack or just ignore it For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 16:49:19 Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Fellhand Originally by: BurnHard There are scientific studies that show an increase in Testosterone levels after watching movies containing violence. Anecdotal evidence also shows this is true - after watching a Bruce Lee film, when I was a kid, me and my mates used to go mental. True. However, those studies don't necessarily show that the increased testosterone level translates to real-world violence. It's been my experiance that kids, boys especially need little excuse to be violent (see Milgram and quite a lot of Freud). If I remember rightly, the same is also true after watching football (soccer) matches. Which explains a lot..... EVIDENCE??!!! Oh thats right, its all rubbish. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:44:00 - [14] Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:52:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:45:23 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:45:06 Originally by: mir4ge A relatively high suicide rate isn't a sign of a degenerative society? Yah suicide definately makes Scandinavia all peaches and cream. Hello, do you know how to read? Winter time, lack of daylight....affects the human mind? Quote: As for your winter comment, please explain why suicide rates, pretty much across the board, worldwide, peaks in early to mid summer and LOWEST during the winter? I would love to see the scientific evidence that long winters bring on mental defects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_depression Quote: And what percentage of Scandinavia is minorities? You guys can't even play nice with the miniscule numbers of minorities in your population. Europeans *** me up when they act holier then the US when it comes to racial relations. I've spent some time in Europe, and all I saw was a sea of white. But hey, hardly having any minorities to interact with does make for pretty good race relations, no? Do we have riots? No. Do we have a nations that holds its breath everytime 'black folks' are on trial because they fear rioting?....NO! Quote: and all I saw was a sea of white. I live in a city where 25% of the population has origins from outside of Europe....guess they didnt show you that on your guided tour eh? For the state for the state for the state**
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:52:01 Originally by: BurnHard Eat it.. And I resent having to Google for evidence when you should have just taken my word for it ;). Do you have any offical links? You know, wikipedia and such? A guy that said testosterone levels were caused by nature ^^ For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.23 21:35:00 - [16] Originally by: mir4ge Edited by: mir4ge on 23/08/2006 21:34:01 Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 20:01:56 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:52:58 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:45:23 Edited by: Death Kill on 23/08/2006 19:45:06 https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fi.html Wow that is diverse! Go ahead, look up the rest of the countries that are considered Scandinavian. Too bad for you the FACTS coincide with my observations. 25%? Want to pull more figures out of your ass? Finnland is NOT apart of Scandinavia you rubbish n00b. Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden, Denmark. For the state for the state for the state
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.24 05:06:00 - [17] Originally by: mir4ge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia Somtimes considered part of Scandinavia even in official contexts. All four countries have one thing in common; they are Nordic. Yes, because Scandinavians themselves dont knwo what Scandinavia is,.....but Germans and americans does Scandinavians http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Skandinavism.jpg And having in common being Nordic matters exactly how? For the state for the state for the state

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